$695.00: 0 $695.00 $795.00: 4d 20h 13m 17173144. Back then we were required to qualify at 50 yards and this weapon never failed me. The Model 19 Classic revolver features a handsome set of walnut grips, a 4.25 barrel, a black adjustable rear sight, and red ramp front sight. Could be the cylinder gap is a little wonky and the heat and carbon build up on the front face of the cylinder is causing it to drag against the forcing cone. Considering the caliber, the Model 19s recoil is very manageable. loads are not +p but just standard full pressure loads which every revolver is proofed to 130%. Ive been told the weakness issue at the forcing cone was rectified with the introduction of the 19-4. Because the .38 bullet spends something like twice the time in the barrel as the .357 bullet, the barrel rises more under recoil before the .38 bullet leaves the barrel than it does with .357 loads. I keep telling you folks that people are willing to pay for quality. With the right load a .30-30 can take deer out to 300 yards. Beautiful pistol better than a colt python 357 but not as nice as the colt diamond back 38+p which I used as my service weapon , colt python had wheel alignment problems and the new ones have the same problem showing up. Reliability * * * * * In fact, with the shrouded hammer and slimmed down profile, their 3 revolver is probably superior to a comparable S&W from any era for carry. Those were model 15s, another k frame chambered in .38 special. The next most noticeable element emanating from this revolver is the finish. It ought to have a 4.0-inch barrel, a lot heavier than the ones we got now. Please log in again. I see these S&W wheel guns and it all comes back from my impressionable youth, One Adam-12, One Adam-12, see the man.. Four inches would be the right length to fit holsters we got in the Border Patrol. INTHE LATER PERIOD OF MY 40+ YEAR CAREER I CARRIED SEMI AUTOES, BUT NOTHING IS GREATER THAN MY WHEEL GUNS. He held a record for speed shooting with a double-action revolver that stood for decades. Until this lock is removed I would not bet my life on a S&W with the lock! I have a Model 66 no dash 4 made in the early 70s. I dont believe you need all that heavy frame on your .357 you got now. [Jordan was referring to S&Ws large N-Frame.] The old 19 is still more elegant, the new model must be taken for what it is, an unfaithful copy and a different revolver. Keep your firearms safe, secure & in prestine condition. There seems to be a problem serving the request at this time. Lighter and tougher and more precise than ever, it's the perfect back country hunting rifle. Anyone with a chrono and the appropriate guns can confirm that. Find us on Hickok45 Twitter and Facebook, as well as "therealHickok45" on Instagram. The cylinder measures 1.45 inches in diameter and 1.67 inches in length. And give us the shining gems of the earlier days. I can say for certain that with that round count and that bad of a malfunction I would most definitely be sending that one back! Whats yours? MIM is a mature production process and an excellent way to produce complex metal parts at lower cost. Models 10 and 64 have a heavy barrel and fixed sights while the Model 67 adds an adjustable rear sight and red ramp front sight. S&W Model 19 Classic vs Original hickok45 7.16M subscribers Subscribe 362K views 3 years ago Comparing the original "Classic" with the New "Classic." Original video with the old Model. When I got home, I played with it a bit and it suddenly started working just fine. The only Smith I will own with a lock would be a .22 caliber, because I would never carry it for self-defense. If you dont have time to aim, shooting a snubby is just like pointing your fist, but you can feel a long barrel out there, like pointing your finger. People who load their own should be aware that the worries about the flame-cut of the topstrap is only one issue with stout loads. The Model 19 Classic features a handsome set of walnut grips, a 4.25" barrel, a black adjustable rear and red ramp front sights. I found it to be easy to shoot accurately, and its balance and pointability were excellent. Smith has outfitted the Model 19 Classic with a trigger that is just about ideal for double-action shooting. I always saw those as more for city kids that grew up without guns at home, or who didnt carry and hunt with them almost all year round, like we did. Nice gun, but I will always remember the beauty of blued steel and walnut stocks. The revolvers cylinder is fluted and holds six rounds of .357 Magnum or .38 Special ammunition. No tool marks or poor fitting, but no embellishments either. Yet still they have less that great SA triggers. But I still dont get it. I guess Im just maturity challenged. eBay; Sporting Goods; Hunting Equipment; Gun Storage; . The L frame 586s make great guns for duty and walking around the woods and I use my 4 586 for just that. The only candidates to replace my 19 are heavier framed revolvers in the same caliber from the S&W Performance Center. Weight: 39oz as reviewed You can also buy lighter rebound springs for the S&W. There are a few current or recent production models here and there that have no lock (I believe a 686 is among them). The Model 19 Classic revolver features a handsome set of walnut grips, a 4.25 barrel, a black adjustable rear sight, and red ramp front sight. It is hard to describe the appeal of revolvers. Give that .357 more room to run and its got a lot more power than the 9mm. Jordan asked. I have carried countless S&W revolvers over the years. Condition Trade-In Private Party Dealer; . The arrival of the 1500 custom relegated it to the Distinguished matches and just plain having fun at the range. The current Smith & Wesson info page lists the Model 19 as having a barrel length of 4.25 inches, an overall length of 9.875 inches, and a weight of 37.2 ounces. What exactly is you expectations for a mass produced 100% stock revolver or any handgun for that matte!?! My new from the factory custom shop model 41 pistol is a nightmare. . I DO realize theres some cost savings, but is it really worth it? Grip: factory walnut (others available) It is a widespread issue with this revolver. [emailprotected] [emailprotected] from 6 barrel ouch!! Loved the article JW. When engaged, it prevents the hammer from being cocked and the trigger from being squeezed. I will likely be forever conflicted about this gun. It was also more enjoyable for the shooter and much kinder on the pistol. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Range work always brings out things that are not readily noticeable from a cursory examination. My lightweight polymer auto-loader seems a bit more soulless every time I look at it. My most accurate load was the Black Hills .38 Special 148-grain SWC ammo, and it averaged 2.47 inches for five, five-shot groups. its my understanding the weakness issue at the front of the top strap was solved with the 19-4. Never/ever! Sounds like you pulled out all the stops for a comprehensive review Jon. The entire revolver frame, cylinder, and barrel is made . Failure to Fire. The Model 19 is chambered for .357 Magnum.The K-frame is somewhat smaller and lighter than the original N-frame .357, usually known as the Smith & Wesson Model 27.A stainless steel variant of the Model 19, the Smith & Wesson Model 66, was introduced in 1971. True, and Im not much of a fan of the 1-7/8 rev olver. Using the same bullet weight and barrel length, the standard .357 Magnum is still travelling as fast or faster at 100 yards than the 9mm+P is at 50 yards. That DA will try to sway the jurors that since you removed the lock, that shows an attitude of looking for a gunfight, and so forth, ad nausea. Due to its popularity, the Smith and Wesson Model 19 is often worth more than its suggested retail price. I love the 19 more than anything and prize them, evwn over my new Sig P226, Mt25 Romeo, I will pick up next week when I get back home from a cruise. Still, the 19s are a nice revolver. Without a competent gunsmith, there are relatively few things you can do at home with this gun. Of course they are built like a tank and stand up to thousands of rounds of full power loads. I still have it and enjoyed many pistol qualifications over the years. And as youve said before, the .357 has a bit more powder capacity than the 10mm. You have entered an incorrect email address! The sample I fired for this report was powerful and accurate. The new, reintroduced Model 19 .357 Magnum K-Frame revolver is offered with a 4.25-inch barrel, a six-shot cylinder, a polished blued finish, walnut grips, an adjustable rear sight, and a red-ramp front sight. Both the 8 round Smith and the .45 Colt/ACP Rug er might be a bit bulky and heavy for CC, but both would make an excellent woods gun. In my view, S&W needs to reissue the Model 19/66s, only beefed up in the right parts, without turning the guns into boat anchors! Then I got a snubby Model 19 to shoot the snubby matches. Im looking at a revolver after I make some more optics purchases. I ordered the 4.25-inch-barreled Classic revolver for my shooting review. Do you experience the same problem with magnum pistol calibers? A .357 would do the trick because they shoot those cheap .38s, too. However, there are differences. It has a classic ramped front sight with an orange insert for increased visibility pinned atop the . Only pre mim.pre Hillary hole smiths for me. IF I had a Model 19 Id carry either .38 SPL Meat Mashers like I do now or way loaded down .357 with the same bullets. After a couple years of qualifying with the .357s the M-66s started to shake loose. In S&W revolvers, what you want to ask a smith for is an action job. Kuhnhausen describes this a bit in his book. Daily carry requires a good holster. Its part of S&Ws Classics line. Simple 38 special 158gr Remington Target or Federal 158 LRN Champion even Magtech 158 LRN will work. Estimated New and Used Values for a Smith & Wesson Model 19 Values are based on a basic model with no options or colors. And their 4 DASA with exposed trigger is a very comparable choice for anyone interested in the current 4 Model 19 for target shooting or home defense at that barrel length. Trigger feels wonderful. I stopped and empited the gun. The best thing to be done is make the cylinder gap as tight as possible, so as to limit how much heated gas can escape the gap. They are worth a look and comparison no matter what the reason. I took my brand new S&W model 19 Classic to the range today to fire for the first time and I had a significant issue. I never said the gun was slow, I said I was slow with it. Compare. Even though this is a 4 pistol with square butt stocks, the frame has a round butt contour. Inadvertent? What is your 8 based off of? Let me start by saying, the new Classic model, while looking to the original 19, is a different pistol from yesteryear. (I kept the factory ones.). Customization * * I think something got hung up with the arm. The suggested retail price for the firearm ranges from $599 to $669. Ruger Lcp . Buzz, So I wasnt exactly starting from scratch. It sounds like a timing issue, but I'm not that experienced at gunsmithing, mostly just hobby tinkering. While some may object to the MIM (Metal Injection Molding) parts, there is nothing wrong with them from a functional standpoint. And when the duty gun classes arrived, because some departments issued 4 Model 19s, a 4 Model 19 joined the fray. PERIOD. However, the Queen of the K-frames is, and will always be the Model 19 Combat Magnum. Just picked one up last week. But it was nowhere near as classy as this thing looks. .357 loads are not full pressure .357 loads and the Buffalo Bore, Double Tap, etc. I could have saved myself a few minutes of pointless reading if this sad fact had been revealed earlier. which I would avoid in the J and K frames. In 1955 the .357 Magnum version was first offered. Let us help build a firearm based on your needs - select from a range of calibers, capacities, safety preferences and compliance requirements. He even appeared on television in 1955. If it functions OK unloaded, the problem is most likely powder residue glued to a chamber wall with factory lubrisludge. Although there new revolvers with the Hillary are not for me having a new 686 lock fail right out of the box! I started with .38 Special, moved to .38 Special +p, and ended up shooting regular magnum loads. If you are so good, write your own article for us to enjoy. That said, Ill NEVER relieve myself of any of my 19s. He claimed thatwith todays modern loads, the .357 Magnum offersrelatively little stopping power improvementover the 9mm+P. While not nearly as pretty as the Model 19, the Ruger is not likely to wear out from a steady diet of .357s. The K-frame S&W carries surprisingly well in a quality, high ride holster. It will all sound plausible to a gun ignorant jury. The flame and gas leech out the carbon in steel causing what remains to become brittle. The balance of 4 K-frame is close to perfect. The ejector rod is tight. All Local Sales are FREE! Due to its rust-resistant qualities, the Model 66 was even used by SEAL Team 6. The second significant difference is that the diameter of the barrel is thicker than the older guns. Calibers includes .22 LR, .38 Special, .357 Magnum. As I pointed out below the true full pressure stuff is the Buff alo Bore, Double Tap, etc. This is essentially a re-creation of the Model 48 K-22 MRF with a four or six inch barrel (sans under-lug). Side Refine Panel. With the 158gr Double Taps I carry Im getting ~600ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle which is about 50% more than +p 9mm and higher yet downrange. However, I know my way around Smith & Wesson revolvers and have been shooting them for more than 40 years. 1 more deal from guns.com . However, at 25 yards, there is only a couple 10ths of an inch difference in trajectory, at most. Im thinking about selling my J frame 340 PD for 5 Smith 8 round revolver or the new Ruger .45 Colt / .45 ACP combo gun. I t will be liked by many but most new owners will not know what is to shoot the original for comparison. My shooter is a 19-3, and my show off is a 19-4 (Detroit Police 1978 Commemorative) which has never been fired. All the way out to 100 yards, they are only 3.6 apart, if the gun is zeroed at 25 yards. Length: 8 Second department we used .357 that were 125gr. 5 more deals from grabagun.com . Smith & Wesson Model 19 Classic, 4.25" Barrel, 357 Magnum, Blued . HK VP9 and again needs trigger work. The new Model 19 Classic utilizes Smith & Wessons keyed locking system. Check Price . model 19, And it certainly outclasses any of the common modern service pistols in fit and finish. Smith has also installed a ball/detent crane lock, and of course, the new 19 has the obligatory key lock. I was in awe. SKU: 12040. Since the TTAG editors cut my last comment, Ill be nicer this time. Joseph Von Benedikt visits with Aaron Oelger from Hodgdon about the unprecedented demand on the shooting supply industry. The solutions to the issues presented will be discussed in this article. I spoke with two long retired officers who carried (and loved) the four-inch Model 19. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. Craigh. The Model 19/66 also was one of the finest guns ever made. Le/Mil Only. The first thing you notice is the grip. Guns were offered with either a square butt or a round butt, depending on barrel length. Absolutely not. Deliberate? In 1974 my first duty weapon was the S&W M-15. The pull is smooth, with some stacking just before the hammer breaks. Gun Review, An object in motion tends to stay in motion; once it starts, the big .44 caliber cyclinder wants to keep on spinning. Smith & Wesson Model 19 Classic (the new re-issue): It looks cool with the classic new design and the blued finish. 1. Still, I normally practice with 38 spl, but often run a cylinder (or 2) of 357 just to keep me honest. The Border Patrol furnishes us with those .38 shells with no questions asked about what we do with them. On the range, the Classic 19 handled and shot as well as my older Model 19. Without the barrel / cylinder gap, it can low end .30-30 energy levels. Eventually I ponied up the cash for a bull barreled PPC revolver to shoot the 1500 matches, but for a few years that Model 19 was the only arrow in my PPC quiver. The new Model 19 Classic utilizes Smith & Wesson's keyed locking system. In a day where 4-6 barrel revolvers were found in duty holsters. The remaining Model 67 is the stainless steel version of the no-longer-produced Model 15. All three guns are rated for .38 Special +P ammunition and hold six shots. eBay; smith wesson model 19; smith wesson model 19. Technically, I don't know. Im a revolver nut! BE SURE to watch the Chapter 2 follow-up. The Author of the article conveniently forgot to mention that despite the M19 having a double heat treatment it would shoot loose after only about 2,000 full power .357 magnum loads. I own one of the new Colt 3 inch fixed sight revolvers it is a stainless steel copy of the old 3 in California Colt Python revolver and the last one I saw on one of my firearms auction catalogs went for $14,000.00 I paid a great deal less for my new Colt 3 inch fixed sight revolver and I was as happy as a little boy on Christmas morning. No go; not with MIM parts. When I came home from VietNam and became a cop, I was urged to get an S&W Model 19 but being young and therefore all knowing I bought a Colt Trooper. As I look back on it now, that was a foolish thing to do. Now both the P09 and VP9 are capable of 1 groups @ 25 but no way do they run sub 2 with a bunch of various SD or other loads. Ah, I get where youre coming from. Id love a pair of early 80s model 681s the l frame was goldilocks for 357 magnums and 140grain jhps the all purpose bullet. But I am often surprised by the stupidity of others. I do miss that gun. Model 19 Classic Smith & Wesson hickok45 7.16M subscribers Subscribe 253K views 4 years ago Shooting and discussing the new S&W Model 19 Classic. Smith and Wesson Model 19-3 Genuine Factory Original Box with Tools Papers 1955. There is nothing wrong with the new classic model 19. The rear sight is the classic micrometer adjustable blade but lacks a white outline rear sight. Im getting a Ruger or a Colt. No Smith with Hillary Hole for me. I initially used S&W grips for a .38 Air Weight snub-nose but they were a little small for good control. The Model 19 Classic revolver features a handsome set of walnut grips, a 4.25 barrel, a black adjustable rear sight, and red ramp front sight. Those who want to carry the Model 19 concealed should consider the VZ Grips VZ 320 boot stocks. 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